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this is Jim semithan and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and I've got a

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breakdown to round off the month of

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October may fit in another one before at

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the end of October but likely be well

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into November joining me provide

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commentary analysis feedback and all

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that good stuff is Dan welcome

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hi uh it's nice to start my

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globetrotting for a minute and take a

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breath and sit down with you and have a

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chat about what's been going on yeah

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just for a minute or two before you head

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back off again

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around the Americas as they call them

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um it's been a few weeks since we

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recorded anything uh life in general but

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also just very quickly thanks to

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everyone who got in touch about the if

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you hadn't seen social media my dog

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passed away a few days ago passed away

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you know there was was put to sleep

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because of very sudden health issues so

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that's been a bit crappy but thanks for

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folks reaching out it was very nice and

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seeing a lot of people who had gone

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through the same kind of stuff so cheers

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for that uh but back to talking about

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UFOs and which there is a lot of news

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and a lot of stuff coming up a lot of

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stuff just happened and some stuff just

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happened in the past so we will Blitz

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through as much as we can to get people

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kind of up to speed and I've seen a few

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people ask about oh any breakdowns and

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comments on the news and stuff so so

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let's get to it

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um first up uh one week away Dan

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um well at most from recording this it's

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the 24th of October we are one week away

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from the 31st of October for those of

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you who could be a calendars that should

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be correct

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um but the next unclassified UAP task

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force report should be due out

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you as with many other folks are

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expecting it by this Friday aren't you

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which is the 29th 28th 28th of October

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yeah because people tend to release

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stuff they want buried in those Cycles

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on the Friday before our weekend and it

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kind of goes away doesn't it doesn't get

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discussed until the Monday unless

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something else comes and takes over so

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we're expecting that to come up aren't

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we yeah absolutely I I would expect it

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before the weekend it's due by Monday

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but could come out Monday uh they could

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want the weekend to write stuff on it uh

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Travis Taylor was involved in writing

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the one last year and I'm sure he has

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said at some point over the last year he

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would have loved more time but this

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one's going to be interesting because

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we've had the establishment of a new

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office or a rebranding uh once again uh

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from you know we had the UAP task force

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and we went to aimsog as they called it

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aoi MSG and now we're on Arrow which is

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the uh all domain

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essentially so it's going to be really

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that office was established there's

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probably a whole bunch of bureaucratic

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things that mean taking their attention

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again their email set up getting the

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computers were up and running getting

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those home vpns going uh but we do know

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as well that Dr Sean Kirkpatrick the the

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head of Arrow has been in touch with

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various people exploring cases uh namely

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very active office but yeah I'm curious

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the very least expect the same as last

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year in terms of just this is how many

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reports we've had this is how many we've

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solved but it's gonna be curiously and

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what's different to last year more than

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it's worth pointing out that Dr Sean

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Kirkpatrick hasn't had that long enroll

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finished product would look like and and

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taking the job but it wasn't announced

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rebranding was announced but yeah you're

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that you really need a run of years at

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this kind of stuff to start to compile

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the data and the networking and

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results so again it's like a restart and

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the early days and what we're going to

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get is a report and just before we

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recorded Dan you made you were saying

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we're not going to get videos we'll know

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what's a report it's like handing in a

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report at an S8 school isn't it you're

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saying or where are they accompanying

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videos and slides and you'd be like well

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you asked for a report I just I just

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wrote you an essay that's it so it's

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it's a written report and we're probably

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stuff again that like the color not the

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color the color in the shapes the Foo

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happened around that but you're still

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classified Annex we won't see any of the

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classified Annex even with stuff blacked

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out but the shapes thing is interesting

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Sky hope yeah is that last year they

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legislation that hasn't passed yet that

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category so those four categories for me

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know not interested basically and that

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category for others should expand

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these anomalous encounters and as well

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bit more talk about cooperation on an

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corporation here as well as that I'd

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of the actors who aren't uh willingly

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participating in the report and giving

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over their data namely the Air Force

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the Air Force involved and help them

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write it it doesn't seem like they get

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in that historical data from them

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butcher whatever this was going to be

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dissuade or you know to not come forward

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and that's still happening so you could

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imagine that goes right through to

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places like the Air Force and such as

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recently on some interviews that and I

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think Gary Nolan had mentioned it's not

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just as easy for even with immunity

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language being written in that

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everyone's going to come running forward

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to to talk about the UFO subject because

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people have careers and aspirations and

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their own thoughts and opinions and bias

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so it's not just as easy as everyone

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UFOs and there is still a stigma in a

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lot of different places and a lot of

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different in areas even with people who

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about the potential of what it could be

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and that it will be something likely

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presaic so there's a lot of variables

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with this and you're quite right that

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people again I think will use that

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yeah again Gwen just expecting the bare

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you know last year they were talking

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there being a nothing burger that there

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relevant which wasn't true that's yeah I

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report's even happening at all is kind

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um and there's been some talk from

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people like Eric Weinstein in the past

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week where he's basically pointing out

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whether this is UFOs or a Psy off this

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is a ridiculously huge story and it you

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know it's not clear which way it's going

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to go yet but uh there seems to be a

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then the Eric Weinstein stuff because he

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um as part of a presentation that was

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going on I've seen some folks if you're

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not familiar with social media you might

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not know Eric Weinstein because I only

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know the guy from from social media as

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um is he a mathematician by trade is

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that where his background is uh I don't

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mathematician physicists

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super intelligent guy and someone who

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kind of I would say spoke out against

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the establishment as well so he's kind

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of been shunned from academic circles

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but what he's actually talking about is

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very often kind of the broader view

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instead of just staying in his Lane and

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we're big fans of people who who do that

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people comment on the guy's politics and

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opinions on stuff and that that's all by

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the by it's a Twitter profile now just

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says Dad so yeah I can't even get

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anything off of that no he's changed

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that so fair enough

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um

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yeah it could be a police it could be a

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role who knows

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um so yeah he's uh a very clever guy in

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one of those people that is outside of

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the UFO subject that you you probably

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want to be involved are characters like

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that who can come in and and take this

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topic to a broader subject he's got 700

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000 Twitter followers so that's that's

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no mean feat

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um so yeah interesting to see him coming

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in and talking about the UFO subject he

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did meet with Luella zondo some time ago

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they posted a picture together didn't

291
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they on on social media as well I think

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he was also

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over a year ago was he not one of the

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people who talked about being briefed

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along the time Sam Harris had mentioned

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you know people are reaching out to talk

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about the UFO subject to personalities

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and media profiles and media

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personalities and there we go and it

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might have taken a little bit more time

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but all of a sudden he goes from being a

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healthy skeptic in the subject to oh I'm

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no appealing at the San Marino UFO

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conference and I'm part of a

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presentation and talking about like you

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say they're either there

307
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and it's worth it's worth getting

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involved in this subject and if we can

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get more and more of that happening I

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think that's a huge Plus

311
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it was just amazing to hear his thoughts

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you know the actual circumstances

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surrounding him being in San Marino he

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was going just to watch basically yeah

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um and then as per Eric's Twitter he

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reported that Lou was under the weather

317
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so couldn't go so we filled a spot

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basically very Romberg at the moment

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being asked to play jazz flute you know

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like please I couldn't and then he's the

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most prepared person there yeah

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and uh and yeah he he laid out some just

323
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some interesting thoughts that like we

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already said came down to this or there

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there this is hugely intriguing I'm

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along for the ride even if you know I'm

327
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being used to kind of get this message

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out I think this is a really important

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thing to pay attention to whether it's

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because there are visitors in our skies

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from somewhere else or because we're

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being manipulated by an organizational

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structure that should have a higher bar

334
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quite frankly and shouldn't be doing

335
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this to people either way bigger story

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and you see just to caveat that there

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are visitors and our skies from

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somewhere else they might just be not us

339
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but in their own Skies so who knows just

340
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for anyone who follows that particular

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path but we could be here all day with

342
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that

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chatter uh D Dean Johnson again

344
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fantastic reporting in terms of saying

345
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that language that can ask maybe boring

346
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stuff that people might be like oh you

347
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know the

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sa5950 which I've got written down here

349
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which is the only reason I know it

350
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um is the intelligence authorization act

351
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uh the UAP related text is in there as

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part of a huge bill and as of October

353
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12th I don't think I've seen any updates

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since then the the UAP language is still

355
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in there and I just wanted you to

356
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explain though it said that the final

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UAP language will be written in

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conference with the house in November

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what does that mean

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in Internet I'll try my best in a

361
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nutshell uh I always I always use the

362
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analogy of train tracks

363
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um basically

364
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the conference is what the last stop

365
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before this bill is put on the

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president's desk so after conference it

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will be presented to the president to

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sign but conferences where both sides of

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the aisle the Republicans and the

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Democrats come together and privately

371
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kind of hash out the details instead of

372
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arguing them in public that

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bill will now be presented in the house

374
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and voted on uh more than likely we'll

375
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just pass once conferences happen

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because that's where the details are

377
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sorted you know they wouldn't present it

378
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if they weren't happy with it once it's

379
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presented and signed off by them it'll

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go to the president's desk so the

381
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soonest that can happen is the 14th of

382
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November when Congress reconvenes

383
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that'll be when conference starts so I

384
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would probably expect it around

385
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Christmas again you know you'll see that

386
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ndaa HR 7900 passing I dream in these

387
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numbers now I still remember the ones

388
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from years ago and largely though

389
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because so much happens with all this

390
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stuff and names change and acronyms

391
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change your different organizations and

392
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you've got the bill people can get

393
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easily confused I definitely do if

394
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anyone thinks I don't for the love of

395
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God when I don't do these regularly I do

396
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get mixed up in all over the place and

397
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that's probably part of the reason these

398
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things happen but this reporting going

399
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into the Bell ultimately what is that

400
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going to achieve

401
00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:01,980
so essentially there are a few different

402
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aspects of the bill this year we're

403
00:14:08,569 --> 00:14:07,019
going to get a do over the office or

404
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probably a new name again the name

405
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that's being floated is the UAP joint uh

406
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program office so a name that properly

407
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reflects that it's all of the different

408
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organizations coming together and

409
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umbrella wise it will actually be kind

410
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of held somewhere where those offices

411
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can be held accountable instead of kind

412
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of pleasing themselves for it also in

413
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this bill there is the

414
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instead of just the aerial phenomena

415
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they emphasizing the transmedium aspects

416
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of it so the undersea portion is now

417
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kind of in the UAP acronym

418
00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:42,300
so that's being emphasized we've also

419
00:14:45,530 --> 00:14:44,220
got language saying that anything that's

420
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man-made they're not interested in

421
00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:46,980
actually they're more interested in the

422
00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:48,959
anomalous stuff which is you know pretty

423
00:14:53,389 --> 00:14:51,120
startlingly clear in terms of whether

424
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they're looking for life elsewhere or

425
00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:55,680
something else and then you've got the

426
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reporting apparatus that they're setting

427
00:15:01,550 --> 00:14:59,160
up so

428
00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:01,560
essentially a private channel to

429
00:15:05,689 --> 00:15:04,320
whichever UAP task force is there

430
00:15:07,970 --> 00:15:05,699
whatever it's called after this bill

431
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passes where people can submit

432
00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:10,079
classified information with no fear of

433
00:15:14,990 --> 00:15:12,240
repercussions essentially so they can't

434
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:15,000
be fired or lose stars or anything like

435
00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:16,560
that they can just go and start talking

436
00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:19,199
about this in private sessions so that's

437
00:15:22,189 --> 00:15:21,180
I'd emphasize that because there are a

438
00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:22,199
lot of people out there talking about

439
00:15:25,610 --> 00:15:23,760
once this bill passes people can just

440
00:15:27,889 --> 00:15:25,620
spill the beans that's not the case uh

441
00:15:30,470 --> 00:15:27,899
it'll be private closed door sessions

442
00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:30,480
and we'll build from there as well as

443
00:15:34,970 --> 00:15:32,760
that the Comptroller has has been

444
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directed to go back all the way to

445
00:15:39,949 --> 00:15:37,800
Roswell and basically a master timeline

446
00:15:42,829 --> 00:15:39,959
of the intelligence Services dealings

447
00:15:45,230 --> 00:15:42,839
with UAP since then so we should expect

448
00:15:47,329 --> 00:15:45,240
a huge report from the Comptroller at

449
00:15:48,829 --> 00:15:47,339
some point detailing where and when

450
00:15:50,930 --> 00:15:48,839
exactly all these different projects

451
00:15:52,910 --> 00:15:50,940
like magnet blue book or you know sign

452
00:15:54,110 --> 00:15:52,920
Grudge or all these different programs

453
00:15:55,910 --> 00:15:54,120
over the years we should get a nice

454
00:15:57,470 --> 00:15:55,920
concise timeline from the US Government

455
00:15:59,689 --> 00:15:57,480
after all of this

456
00:16:01,550 --> 00:15:59,699
yeah nice and again it's what might

457
00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:01,560
interest me with that and there will be

458
00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:03,600
loads of UFO researchers out there

459
00:16:07,730 --> 00:16:05,519
people like Grant Cameron who have done

460
00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:07,740
decades worth of work and research and

461
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:09,839
other people like him who would probably

462
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:11,519
say they could do that themselves until

463
00:16:15,290 --> 00:16:13,680
you're from Roswell to know what all

464
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:15,300
those different programs were what they

465
00:16:19,069 --> 00:16:17,519
achieved what happened but I think if

466
00:16:20,930 --> 00:16:19,079
you get it happening in some sort of

467
00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:20,940
official capacity you don't know what

468
00:16:25,069 --> 00:16:23,160
else comes out of that or gets dug up or

469
00:16:26,569 --> 00:16:25,079
you go ah because we never knew that or

470
00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:26,579
we never knew that was related to that

471
00:16:31,610 --> 00:16:29,760
and you know that whole OSAP a-tip thing

472
00:16:33,290 --> 00:16:31,620
that at one point seemed like two

473
00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:33,300
programs and then became a bit more

474
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:35,040
muddied and that might happen for

475
00:16:38,749 --> 00:16:37,440
something that was 40 50 years ago and

476
00:16:40,910 --> 00:16:38,759
you start to get some other dots being

477
00:16:42,350 --> 00:16:40,920
connected elsewhere so who knows I think

478
00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:42,360
it's an interesting one definitely

479
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:43,980
there's there's plenty to look forward

480
00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:46,560
to with it in terms of the report and

481
00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:49,920
the ndaa what happens with that language

482
00:16:54,170 --> 00:16:52,079
you know that people again shouldn't

483
00:16:56,449 --> 00:16:54,180
expect too much to happen too quickly

484
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:56,459
again if you take a step back and maybe

485
00:17:00,050 --> 00:16:58,079
if you listen to the breakdown from a

486
00:17:02,569 --> 00:17:00,060
year or two ago and some of the news at

487
00:17:04,130 --> 00:17:02,579
the time we've come pretty far and

488
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:04,140
there's a lot of progress happened I see

489
00:17:08,090 --> 00:17:05,520
we like I've not done it you know other

490
00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:08,100
people have done the work report no no

491
00:17:12,909 --> 00:17:11,040
no I'm sure yeah

492
00:17:16,490 --> 00:17:12,919
um until

493
00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:16,500
2026 essentially funded and signed off

494
00:17:20,030 --> 00:17:18,360
so we're playing the long game here not

495
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:20,040
the short game you know absolutely yeah

496
00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:21,839
there we go folks so three years worth

497
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:23,160
of content left

498
00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:25,679
um so yeah look forward to it

499
00:17:31,130 --> 00:17:27,720
um speaking of uh timelines

500
00:17:32,570 --> 00:17:31,140
that's a spurious link um NASA as UFO

501
00:17:34,850 --> 00:17:32,580
study has finally come together they

502
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:34,860
announced some time ago and I believe

503
00:17:39,169 --> 00:17:37,440
their results of that study are going to

504
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be announced one year from today is that

505
00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:41,100
right was it the 29 months from today

506
00:17:45,409 --> 00:17:43,679
same month 24th of July 2023 and

507
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,419
actually launches today as well as we

508
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record this on the 24th this is when

509
00:17:50,810 --> 00:17:48,299
they're rolling the sleeves and getting

510
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:50,820
to work so it's a little exciting to

511
00:17:54,830 --> 00:17:53,039
it's a watershed moment maybe yeah today

512
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:54,840
was a scan and we'll get the birth of

513
00:17:58,909 --> 00:17:56,880
the the results in about nine months

514
00:18:01,789 --> 00:17:58,919
time yeah it's made up of 16 staff

515
00:18:03,710 --> 00:18:01,799
members from various backgrounds I've

516
00:18:04,850 --> 00:18:03,720
seen some people online and and we won't

517
00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:04,860
go through the whole list of everyone

518
00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:05,940
because we're trying to get through a

519
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:08,100
lot of chat here but people disappointed

520
00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:10,799
there seems to be a lack of UFO experts

521
00:18:15,289 --> 00:18:13,020
involved in this but that's not the

522
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:15,299
point of NASA having their own UFO study

523
00:18:19,370 --> 00:18:17,520
and I can see why they have the people

524
00:18:21,529 --> 00:18:19,380
they have involved in this including

525
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:21,539
some what people may see are kind of

526
00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:24,000
Hardcore Skeptics on the US top UFO

527
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:25,860
topic given some of their past comments

528
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:29,280
is it astronauts uh Scott Kelly Scott

529
00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:30,720
Kelly yeah

530
00:18:35,090 --> 00:18:33,539
and we've also got Nadia Drake the

531
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:35,100
daughter of Francis Drake of the famous

532
00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:38,160
Drake Equation uh she's pretty skeptical

533
00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:40,440
on this whole thing but it's interesting

534
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:41,580
that that's where she's coming from you

535
00:18:45,169 --> 00:18:42,960
know her dad kind of wrote the book on

536
00:18:48,110 --> 00:18:45,179
how to apply science to finding life out

537
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,120
there uh so it's really intriguing to

538
00:18:53,210 --> 00:18:50,640
have her on board do not think if

539
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,220
anything does come of their study it

540
00:18:57,049 --> 00:18:54,960
does mean uh do you know what I'll just

541
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:57,059
give my opinion it would mean a little

542
00:19:00,590 --> 00:18:58,080
bit more

543
00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:00,600
to hear something positive come from the

544
00:19:04,490 --> 00:19:02,700
mouth of the Skeptics like that and

545
00:19:06,169 --> 00:19:04,500
people who did take a more hard-nosed

546
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:06,179
approach to the UFO subject to come out

547
00:19:11,390 --> 00:19:09,120
and see actually there's more study

548
00:19:13,789 --> 00:19:11,400
needs to be done here or actually we are

549
00:19:15,529 --> 00:19:13,799
finding some really interesting data and

550
00:19:17,090 --> 00:19:15,539
we need more funding you know we need

551
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,100
more people involved and there is

552
00:19:21,470 --> 00:19:19,679
something to this as opposed to a group

553
00:19:22,730 --> 00:19:21,480
of really well-known UFO people coming

554
00:19:24,049 --> 00:19:22,740
in and saying yeah let's keep going

555
00:19:26,029 --> 00:19:24,059
there's definitely something to this

556
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,039
because that's what they want to say

557
00:19:29,630 --> 00:19:28,080
that that's essentially you'd be

558
00:19:32,510 --> 00:19:29,640
building in bias right and that's not

559
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,520
what we want we want a bunch of data

560
00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:34,799
that's really objective that's really

561
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:36,600
solid that other scientists can pick up

562
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,919
and run with and that's hopefully what

563
00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:39,600
will come from this this initial bit of

564
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,940
the nine month study uh is literally

565
00:19:45,650 --> 00:19:44,160
just the team identifying how data

566
00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:45,660
gathered by civilian government entities

567
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,340
commercial data and data from other

568
00:19:51,529 --> 00:19:49,200
sources can potentially be analyzed to

569
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,539
shed light on UAP and it'll then

570
00:19:54,830 --> 00:19:53,280
recommend a roadmap so we're not going

571
00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:54,840
to get to nine months and have a

572
00:19:59,090 --> 00:19:56,340
declaration from NASA that these are

573
00:20:00,409 --> 00:19:59,100
real or not there was a lie time in the

574
00:20:01,610 --> 00:20:00,419
announcement tweets where they basically

575
00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:01,620
said there's no evidence this is

576
00:20:05,210 --> 00:20:03,299
extraterrestrial and a number of people

577
00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:05,220
push back on that because that can

578
00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:07,080
rightly be seen as a conclusion before

579
00:20:10,430 --> 00:20:09,000
the study right yeah science science you

580
00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:10,440
shouldn't be making up your mind before

581
00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:13,620
you do the study then David spurgle uh

582
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,720
who's heading up the study uh gave a

583
00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:17,280
statement he said I'm entering into the

584
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,320
study with an open mind I am hoping that

585
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,360
we will be informing NASA not so much

586
00:20:25,130 --> 00:20:23,280
about the nature of the uaps but about

587
00:20:27,529 --> 00:20:25,140
how to design a program to most

588
00:20:28,850 --> 00:20:27,539
effectively understand their nature that

589
00:20:31,450 --> 00:20:28,860
to me sounds like it's a foregone

590
00:20:34,490 --> 00:20:31,460
conclusion that they think UAP exists

591
00:20:36,529 --> 00:20:34,500
that's kind of you know an amazing

592
00:20:38,029 --> 00:20:36,539
moment for for NASA to say that like

593
00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:38,039
they exist we're just kind of advising

594
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:40,620
how to best study them uh you know that

595
00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:42,960
that's awesome and rightfully so as well

596
00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:44,340
in terms of how to best study them

597
00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:46,380
because all the data we have so far is

598
00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:49,140
from tools of war and Ryan Graves

599
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:50,460
himself spoke about this on The Joe

600
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,840
Rogan podcast

601
00:20:56,150 --> 00:20:54,480
where he was saying those flea cameras

602
00:20:58,250 --> 00:20:56,160
and things like that they're designed to

603
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,260
track enemies in a war zone these aren't

604
00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:00,000
scientific instruments and that's what

605
00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:02,460
we need to bring to bear so NASA has all

606
00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:04,020
these gadgets so they can kind of

607
00:21:08,210 --> 00:21:05,820
scientifically do read-ins and gather

608
00:21:09,890 --> 00:21:08,220
data I I'd be really curious to see what

609
00:21:11,390 --> 00:21:09,900
NASA can see when they start looking

610
00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:11,400
through their data and kind of saying

611
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,320
okay well what was going on according to

612
00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:14,880
our instruments off the coast of

613
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,580
California in November 2004 when Dave

614
00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:19,200
fraver encountered this Tic Tac let's

615
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,940
have a look you know it should come up

616
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,039
with some interesting results yeah 100

617
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:25,440
those pilots in the Navy and stuff

618
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,640
aren't out there flying about looking

619
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,559
for UFOs as far as we know they just

620
00:21:32,510 --> 00:21:30,240
happen to be encountering them and

621
00:21:34,430 --> 00:21:32,520
recording them as best they can on on

622
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:34,440
the data that we get to see and we know

623
00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:35,700
they've got better stuff we know they've

624
00:21:41,690 --> 00:21:38,340
got the HD 4K videos all that all that

625
00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:41,700
close-ups telescopic lenses yeah the

626
00:21:44,450 --> 00:21:43,260
beings waving through the window like

627
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,460
yeah hi

628
00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:45,840
um that's a good point though it's worth

629
00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:47,700
remembering when we talk about like the

630
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,559
the van handsome race track uaps coming

631
00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:52,080
up uh just because

632
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,880
commercial airline pilots when they film

633
00:21:57,529 --> 00:21:55,440
these things out the window they can't

634
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,539
just turn their giant planes and go look

635
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,039
at this stuff in the sky they are there

636
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,960
to do a job to look after a captain full

637
00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:03,120
of people we we need a group of people

638
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,640
who can go up and with a bunch of

639
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,440
scientific instruments and fly towards

640
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,360
these things uh hopefully that's what

641
00:22:12,409 --> 00:22:11,039
will come from this NASA study a bunch

642
00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:12,419
of people that go yeah this is legit

643
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:13,980
let's uh let's get in a plane and just

644
00:22:17,810 --> 00:22:15,240
fly around until we see these things

645
00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:17,820
like the UFO equivalent of the movie

646
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,740
Twister where they have the van that

647
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,080
flies into the tornado and releases all

648
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:23,840
the little balls yeah

649
00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:31,730
um I would want to be the guy in the

650
00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:33,720
truck who was further away watching

651
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,220
people doing you know what you've said

652
00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:36,720
about going to Skinwalker Ranch and how

653
00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:38,280
you would camp out and I'd be the guy in

654
00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:40,500
the hotel in Utah like

655
00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:42,179
um asking you how your night's going I

656
00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:43,320
just don't want to be talking with me

657
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,380
yeah yeah very far away Housewives shows

658
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,960
and yeah 100 yeah that would be the

659
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:50,400
difference yeah so yeah really

660
00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:51,960
interesting stuff and and you wanted to

661
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,640
mention on black vaults uh John

662
00:22:57,649 --> 00:22:55,679
greenwald's NASA internal emails on that

663
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:57,659
too oh yeah just just you know John

664
00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:01,200
released a whole trench of NASA internal

665
00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:03,780
Communications uh which were a whole

666
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,100
bunch of different experts kind of

667
00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:07,440
trying to pass this subject and I really

668
00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:08,820
recommend people go read it it's really

669
00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:10,020
long but just kind of have a flick

670
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:12,120
through and you can see

671
00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:14,280
how they're trying to combat their their

672
00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:16,200
inherent bias by having more than one

673
00:23:19,730 --> 00:23:18,120
person present by having not just

674
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,740
Skeptics but also people are a bit more

675
00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:21,840
open-minded and they all argue and don't

676
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,700
take it personally and I think that was

677
00:23:27,049 --> 00:23:25,200
really cool to read uh you know they're

678
00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:27,059
passing around essentially articles that

679
00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:29,159
you know you and I and people in the UFO

680
00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:31,020
Community have you know poured over over

681
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,460
the past couple of years and it's really

682
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,559
called sea scientists paying attention

683
00:23:38,529 --> 00:23:36,840
to that now and and looking through for

684
00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:38,539
any nugget of information they can find

685
00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:41,820
Ravi has just teamed up with Ryan Graves

686
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,460
as well to launch the aiaa community of

687
00:23:48,649 --> 00:23:46,320
interest on UAP which we'll talk about

688
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:48,659
when we get to it but uh but yeah you

689
00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:50,940
know there are some NASA scientists who

690
00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:52,620
aren't necessarily part of a huge

691
00:23:56,690 --> 00:23:54,360
cover-up that's decades long and they

692
00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:56,700
seem to be willing to do the work here

693
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,860
so from an organization hoping to

694
00:24:03,289 --> 00:24:00,960
achieve first Contact we move on to

695
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:03,299
moment of contact that's a far better

696
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:05,700
that's a far better length yeah the

697
00:24:09,409 --> 00:24:07,380
moment of contact has just been released

698
00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:09,419
a few days ago or almost a week ago now

699
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:12,919
by director James Fox to pretty

700
00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:15,179
overwhelming critical Acclaim as far as

701
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,440
I can see

702
00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:17,760
um we're going to do a full review

703
00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:19,380
record that in the next day or two and

704
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:21,000
get that released for you for for the

705
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,440
middle of this week and end of the week

706
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,760
on YouTube

707
00:24:27,169 --> 00:24:25,679
um rumors are and we'll keep our

708
00:24:30,010 --> 00:24:27,179
thoughts about the stuff for the review

709
00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:30,020
but rumors are there are potentially

710
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,000
accompanying accompanying data and

711
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,520
videos to be released soon

712
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,679
um James Fox rumors where he had offered

713
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:39,600
two hundred thousand dollars for the

714
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:41,640
individual to release the video to him

715
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,400
of the alleged being from the Virginia

716
00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:47,039
UFO incident in the the mid 90s in

717
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,980
Brazil and yeah more and more if you

718
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:51,840
look at Ronnie vernay a Brazilian

719
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,600
journalist on Twitter he basically said

720
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,360
breaking news on this uh was today

721
00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:00,240
actually just an hour or so ago after 26

722
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:03,000
years in silence researcher Vittorio uh

723
00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:05,340
pakka it's either pakakini or pakachini

724
00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:07,500
or pachaccini it gave some explosive

725
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:09,240
details about the Virginia beings during

726
00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:11,220
a moment of contact our motor contact

727
00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:14,760
Premiere and essentially he said that

728
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:16,679
there there's someone's given them

729
00:25:21,610 --> 00:25:19,320
permission to watch 35 seconds of video

730
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:21,620
of the Virginia being in a secret spot

731
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:24,779
and there is uh the creature in the

732
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:27,000
video the footage apparently does exist

733
00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:28,440
I'll let you go ahead and read those

734
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,419
yourself folks I'll put the link in to

735
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:32,880
Renee's tweets and I'll just make a note

736
00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:34,740
of that link to Ronnie's tweets and

737
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:36,299
Beulah professional we got out on the

738
00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:37,260
Pod

739
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,299
um but yeah I think it's one of those

740
00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:41,520
that spoiler alert there is no video

741
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:43,320
footage of the being

742
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:45,240
and and the documentary but I think

743
00:25:48,409 --> 00:25:46,740
James Fox made that pretty clear

744
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:48,419
throughout the production especially

745
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:50,279
towards release that he was trying to

746
00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:52,440
attain that there are no rumors that

747
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:54,360
this video might be there and that would

748
00:25:59,690 --> 00:25:57,720
be absolutely huge if we could get a

749
00:26:01,549 --> 00:25:59,700
glimpse into any of that even a still

750
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:01,559
frame of that Dan

751
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:03,960
could be a pretty big story couldn't it

752
00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:05,400
yeah it would be it would be a game

753
00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:07,020
changer for the documentary for me you

754
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:08,760
know one of my favorite things about the

755
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:10,620
documentary and I'll avoid going too

756
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:13,260
much into it uh but it's just the fact

757
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:14,580
that James doesn't conclude you know

758
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,159
he's there to do an investigation he's a

759
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:18,960
few times kind of says you know if this

760
00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:21,900
is true this is huge so if they can add

761
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:24,299
something that proves that it's true and

762
00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:26,279
that this creature was there and seen by

763
00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:28,020
these three girls and transported Back

764
00:26:32,029 --> 00:26:30,120
To America that would be the cherry on

765
00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:32,039
the cake that that suddenly sets this

766
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,159
case a light I would say yeah and like I

767
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:37,200
say we'll be releasing our full review I

768
00:26:41,090 --> 00:26:38,640
suggest people do check it out it's

769
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:41,100
getting fantastic response from people

770
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,080
um all around the world who have had an

771
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,600
interest in this topic in case for some

772
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,279
time since James said he was going to be

773
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,740
doing this deep dive into it it's very

774
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:51,600
very professionally made it looks

775
00:26:59,330 --> 00:26:55,279
fantastic and I'll just say non

776
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:59,340
non-spoilery on my part I it's had a far

777
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,860
more positive response than I thought it

778
00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:03,840
might and I'll get into those reasons

779
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:05,940
why when we talk about it you're

780
00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:07,799
probably not intriguing yeah I could

781
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:10,020
probably guess but I'm intrigued yeah so

782
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:11,820
yeah and I'm really glad about that so

783
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:13,980
yeah well done to everyone who's watched

784
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:16,020
that as well so we'll go into that just

785
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:17,700
a quick congratulations to James as well

786
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:19,080
I've said this before but you know when

787
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:20,820
the phenomenon came out he didn't get to

788
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:22,860
have that on the Silver Screen and watch

789
00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:24,539
it and show people it and and he's

790
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:25,860
really getting his moment with this so

791
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,659
just congratulations James and thank you

792
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,799
for all your hard work on this you're

793
00:27:32,529 --> 00:27:30,000
doing style work

794
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:32,539
yes well done James

795
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:36,000
yeah yeah he's probably not

796
00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:38,700
um uh next up uh some folks who may be

797
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:40,620
listening uh another James who might

798
00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:43,380
actually is a James iandoli and Jay

799
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:45,059
Christopher King

800
00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:47,400
um and potentially Priscilla Stone uh

801
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:49,740
and Kelly Chase of the UFO Rabbit Hole

802
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:51,659
podcast Priscilla Stone of quite a much

803
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:52,620
Cafe

804
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:54,659
James eindoli of engaging the phenomenon

805
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:56,279
YouTube channel Jay Christopher count of

806
00:28:01,130 --> 00:27:58,140
the experiencer group I'm sorry folks

807
00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:01,140
hopefully basically yeah uh yeah I've

808
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,940
just been seeing words someone listening

809
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:04,799
to this for the first time and who

810
00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:06,299
hasn't signed up to Babel one of the

811
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:08,400
sponsors has been like what's that guy

812
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:10,260
just said yeah go back and play it on

813
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:11,460
half speed

814
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:13,980
um all of the above where organizers or

815
00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:16,620
hosts of the recent Conference held out

816
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:18,179
in New York and inquired it into

817
00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:20,520
anomalous experiences and the phenomenon

818
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,400
it took place in the 8th of October then

819
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,679
which I've got down here last week but

820
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,880
obviously that wasn't last week it's

821
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:28,320
just been a few weeks

822
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:29,880
um you attended the conference it's

823
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:32,039
still available to watch on catch up as

824
00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:34,020
well headlined by the wonderful Dr Gary

825
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:36,120
Nolan with a range of fascinating

826
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,340
speakers including Mitch Horowitz Darren

827
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:41,039
from uh point of convergence podcast Dr

828
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,520
Tim grave Carlson Dr Sean esbjorn uh Dan

829
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:46,080
just very quickly how was the whole

830
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,640
experience getting to attend a

831
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:49,200
conference like that you know out there

832
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:51,179
in New York and meeting those people

833
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:53,340
so firstly it was my first time in New

834
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:55,140
York and thanking New York you you were

835
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,820
amazing uh Central Park is probably one

836
00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:58,080
of my New York place it's not listening

837
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:59,820
the planet they're all listening all of

838
00:29:03,289 --> 00:29:01,140
New York

839
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:03,299
um and yeah it was really cool very cool

840
00:29:06,769 --> 00:29:05,400
experience uh got to meet some musicians

841
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:06,779
on the way out there that I got to see

842
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:07,559
play

843
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:09,000
um and if people are listening who are

844
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:10,500
in synchronicities there were some owl

845
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:11,760
kind of things present throughout my

846
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:13,740
trip and it was interesting but yeah

847
00:29:18,049 --> 00:29:16,380
back to the conference so the day

848
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:18,059
started and it was just amazing to meet

849
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:19,500
uh you know Priscilla and Kelly and

850
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,960
James and Jay we took so much on social

851
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:24,000
media and it's just incredible to be

852
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,620
able to just give those guys a you know

853
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:27,600
massive hug and finally connect in

854
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:28,740
person

855
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,100
um great ckt Holland as well and yeah we

856
00:29:36,169 --> 00:29:34,980
we went in and we didn't know what to

857
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,179
expect because this was the first event

858
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:38,399
right and it was a very small Affair

859
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:39,899
it's not like the conferences that kind

860
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:41,399
of we've been to in the UK where they're

861
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:45,120
kind of huge uh you know maybe 80 to 100

862
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,120
seats in the room most uh Dr Sean

863
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:51,120
esbjorn hoggins are presented about

864
00:29:55,370 --> 00:29:54,120
study that he's doing an academic study

865
00:29:57,549 --> 00:29:55,380
where they're looking to take a

866
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:57,559
quantifiable approach to the phenomena

867
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,620
he kind of gave out lists of things that

868
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,360
are consistent between experiences and

869
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,760
they're trying to use them as as kind of

870
00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:08,159
comparable data points to come up with a

871
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:10,380
consistent idea of what's going on he

872
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,419
also mentioned weird owl experiences

873
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:15,360
which was a crazy one but yeah that

874
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:16,980
study is being set up the data is

875
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:19,320
collated and reflected on I I would say

876
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:21,240
people should reach out to Sean if they

877
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:23,340
feel like their experiences can be part

878
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:26,820
of that study so yeah go go for that Dr

879
00:30:31,549 --> 00:30:28,860
Tim grieve Carlson's

880
00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:31,559
he he went up and he read an excerpt

881
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:32,940
from an upcoming book where he went out

882
00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:34,200
to see some spook lights essentially

883
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:36,179
what we saw in Colombia and that was

884
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,260
really amazing I'm looking forward to

885
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:39,840
that book he writes very well uh he was

886
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:42,480
involved in religious studies in Rice

887
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:44,820
University where he helped work on the

888
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:46,919
archive of The Impossible Project with

889
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:50,100
Dr Professor Jeffrey krippow

890
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,260
um who basically it's an archive of

891
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:54,000
weirdness if you're into this subject

892
00:30:57,010 --> 00:30:55,380
that's where you should go and have a

893
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,020
look

894
00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:59,039
exo-academian always puts on a good talk

895
00:31:02,330 --> 00:31:00,419
kind of talking about informed

896
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:02,340
speculation on the subject

897
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:04,260
the surprise of the day I would say was

898
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:06,299
Mitch Horowitz people don't know a lot

899
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,980
about Mitch but he has a kind of a cult

900
00:31:12,649 --> 00:31:10,559
background and he talks a lot about that

901
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:12,659
but

902
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:14,279
I've been eager for him to get into this

903
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:16,260
field for years because a lot of what he

904
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:17,580
talks about kind of overlaps with the

905
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:20,700
UFO subject and finally here he was kind

906
00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:23,640
of waxing lyrical about UAP and he told

907
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:26,279
the story essentially that said every

908
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,620
Halloween journalists call him to kind

909
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:30,000
of say what weird stuff's going on this

910
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:31,440
year Mitch you know can can you tell us

911
00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:35,100
if this movement and he his whole point

912
00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:37,080
was there's been a sea change that this

913
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:39,299
year finally when journalists say to him

914
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,880
is there anything to these UFO stuff is

915
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,440
is the mainstream catching on he can

916
00:31:46,669 --> 00:31:44,880
finally say yes there's been a change

917
00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:46,679
yes the mainstream is catching on and I

918
00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:48,419
don't know where it's going to go uh so

919
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:50,220
that was a good fist bump moment you

920
00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:52,620
know and then as always Dr Gary Nolan

921
00:31:56,269 --> 00:31:54,539
knocked out of the park his talk was

922
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:56,279
about the language of Science and

923
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:58,679
applying it to UAP uh he spoke a lot

924
00:32:02,029 --> 00:32:00,419
about the Ukraine stuff with Abby loab

925
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:02,039
which we'll touch on

926
00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:04,679
um and yeah he he just he asked a lot of

927
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:06,419
questions Jay from Project Unity asked

928
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:08,039
about the Wilson docs and Gary was kind

929
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:09,720
of saying they're intriguing but you

930
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:11,520
know even if you prove that they're real

931
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:13,380
you can't prove that the content a rails

932
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,480
so yeah is it worth kind of pulling that

933
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:17,039
thread and focusing your you know all

934
00:32:21,169 --> 00:32:18,659
our efforts around it which I thought

935
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:21,179
was an interesting point and yeah we got

936
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:23,580
to kind of talk outside of those kind of

937
00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:25,140
presentations as well but I'd highly

938
00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:26,520
recommend you know get a live stream

939
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,960
ticket watch them all it's well worth

940
00:32:30,889 --> 00:32:29,039
your time

941
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:30,899
yeah and their next event has already

942
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,760
been announced for the 3rd of December

943
00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:35,279
and if you haven't seen already Leslie

944
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,659
Kane was one of the first big names

945
00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:38,880
allowance for it but uh Mr Christopher

946
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:41,640
melon who needs no introduction has been

947
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,559
announced for that one as well I can

948
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:45,360
promise you he is not near for not there

949
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:46,620
for the money

950
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:48,360
um as you know Chris melon is from a

951
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,100
very wealthy family

952
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:52,799
um like billionaires and uh yeah he is

953
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:54,059
not attending those conferences so

954
00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:55,740
that's that's a really good get for for

955
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:57,299
James and Jane and made up for them

956
00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:58,919
because that's someone that a lot of

957
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:00,840
people I know want to see speaking on

958
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:03,000
the topic and it usually does a lot of

959
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:04,980
his work behind the scenes Chris Mellon

960
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:07,020
uh very much exclusively behind the

961
00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:09,059
scenes so it's good to see him stepping

962
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:11,100
out into public for that conversation so

963
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:13,140
yeah I know Ed James and Jay both

964
00:33:15,769 --> 00:33:14,279
messaged in the last couple of days

965
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:15,779
they're going to come back on near the

966
00:33:20,029 --> 00:33:17,880
time to talk about the the conversation

967
00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:20,039
talk about the conference and what can

968
00:33:24,889 --> 00:33:22,679
be expected and Mitch Horowitz I was

969
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,899
speaking to a few weeks ago via DM he's

970
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:26,460
going to come on to the podcast as well

971
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:28,200
in the near future so hopefully that one

972
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:29,399
will be arranged for an event number

973
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:32,279
Sobo Leslie Kane for November as well

974
00:33:36,289 --> 00:33:34,860
good to finally get Leslie on and a few

975
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:36,299
others but yeah just some of those

976
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:37,799
guests are just kind of

977
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,960
lining up nicely to talk about various

978
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:41,820
different things as well so it was a

979
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:43,320
cool stand-up moment in New York for me

980
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:44,700
uh Jay looked at me at one point and

981
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:46,140
said hey Dan would you mind uh going

982
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:47,640
outside and just going to the queue

983
00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:49,080
Leslie Kane's in the queue do you want

984
00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:50,220
to just grab her and bring her inside

985
00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:52,679
and my brain kind of friched you know

986
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,559
just walking out to fetch Leslie and we

987
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:56,880
had a lovely chat sheet she was

988
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:59,820
genuinely just such a nice person yeah

989
00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:01,740
um again I wouldn't make that one folks

990
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:03,960
it's Christmas young family kids you

991
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:05,880
know it's a lot of money still to get to

992
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:07,620
New York at this time of year but

993
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:09,000
hopefully sometime next year I can get

994
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,379
out there for one of James and Jay's

995
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:12,240
conferences if you can and you're in the

996
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,820
area definitely attend otherwise get a

997
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,320
live stream ticket I saw someone on

998
00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:18,300
Twitter had very kindly said that um

999
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,800
they would donate five live stream

1000
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:21,960
tickets for for folks just because they

1001
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:23,879
were in a good place in life and and

1002
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:25,260
could afford to do that which I thought

1003
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:27,659
was very nice as well so um yeah that

1004
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,859
was that was really cool of them but

1005
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:30,720
yeah if you can folks I think it was it

1006
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:34,980
is it 25 for a life yeah 25 at the

1007
00:34:38,349 --> 00:34:36,839
moment usually 30 but I think it's an

1008
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:38,359
early discount yeah

1009
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,060
early bird or early bird early bird for

1010
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:43,919
various accents and now

1011
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,659
um is available as well so check out

1012
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:47,520
James eindoly or J Christopher King's

1013
00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:50,099
Twitter uh feeds for those discounts and

1014
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:52,859
stuff as well I I will also be out in

1015
00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:54,780
New York for the next event so just like

1016
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,760
with my previous one I covered you know

1017
00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:58,380
I posted a lot of social medias I was

1018
00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:59,700
out there kind of experiencing this

1019
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:01,380
stuff so follow me at the signal on

1020
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,820
Instagram or Twitter and you'll kind of

1021
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,560
see some of those as they're happening

1022
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:06,720
or just follow them if you see them or

1023
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:09,240
just follow them yeah yeah he sometimes

1024
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:12,660
drops gummy sweets behind them back up

1025
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:14,940
um also I'd suggest follow if you're on

1026
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,599
social media at inquiry anomalous now

1027
00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:19,920
check the spelling of that because

1028
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:21,720
iMessage James just checking he had

1029
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:23,940
spilled anomalous incorrectly but he

1030
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,800
actually was a character shot and

1031
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,599
spelling it the right way so I had to go

1032
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:29,520
with anomalous so it is

1033
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,560
yeah you'll see the spelling of it as

1034
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:33,119
correct but yeah make sure you're you're

1035
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,680
following that one I don't even know Dan

1036
00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:36,000
if you would check that out and saw that

1037
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:38,099
but yeah I checked with James iron Dory

1038
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:39,240
just I was like you know you'll spell

1039
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:41,099
anomalous wrong and he was like yeah we

1040
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:42,900
were a character short so it was on

1041
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:44,940
purpose spelling for the word I would

1042
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,859
just be like that's a pun yeah a letter

1043
00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:48,720
had to go and it was little so yeah

1044
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:50,220
there we go

1045
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:51,960
um there's a slogan but yeah so that was

1046
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:53,400
that was a lot of the news and I want to

1047
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:54,839
get through some other bits and pieces

1048
00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:56,460
in quickfire format because I'm a bit

1049
00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:57,660
short of time today just getting back

1050
00:36:01,069 --> 00:35:59,160
into this and hopefully I've not sounded

1051
00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:01,079
manically depressed after the the kind

1052
00:36:03,849 --> 00:36:02,460
of weekend I had

1053
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,859
um

1054
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:06,000
thanks shut up

1055
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:07,980
um a few things worth touching on um

1056
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:09,900
some of you asked me to discuss a few

1057
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:11,640
different things with Dan the first one

1058
00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:15,480
is the Mars rover shot so there was a

1059
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:17,960
giga pan or something it's called which

1060
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:20,579
Mars Rover takes pictures of the Mars

1061
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:22,440
landscape and usually you see all kind

1062
00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:24,540
of interesting or sometimes just shots

1063
00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:27,300
of kind of brownie red desert

1064
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,880
um however there is uh if you check the

1065
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:31,560
link in the description or various

1066
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:33,420
different accounts there is a particular

1067
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:35,820
shot where something seems to be in the

1068
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:36,540
sky

1069
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:38,280
all I'm going to say on this one is it

1070
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:39,720
could be something it could be nothing

1071
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,880
many I know would say it's an artifact

1072
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:43,920
or a glitch um it doesn't appear in the

1073
00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:46,200
next frame which to many would indicate

1074
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:48,119
something was in the sky and then wasn't

1075
00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:49,980
and as we know there shouldn't be

1076
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:52,200
anything in the sky of Mars

1077
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:53,940
um depending on your persuasion on the

1078
00:37:00,370 --> 00:36:56,940
UFO topic but I think it's one of those

1079
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:02,690
who are in charge of this Rover come out

1080
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,140
and basically say oh yeah it was nothing

1081
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,240
half the people will believe them and

1082
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,520
half of them won't I I don't think that

1083
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:10,079
is really any way as I've done to

1084
00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:10,980
address

1085
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:13,800
the the artifact because it's just one

1086
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:16,260
single point of a picture and the

1087
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:17,940
quality is such that you can't really

1088
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,740
zoom in on it unless it becomes a big

1089
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:21,839
pixelated blob I mean do you want to

1090
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,820
comment much more on it I could I'd love

1091
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:25,200
it to be something I'd love it to be an

1092
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:27,180
alien spacecraft flying I zoomed in and

1093
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:28,859
I could see them waving no

1094
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:30,839
um yeah you know I zoomed in I had a

1095
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:31,980
look at some of the frames either side

1096
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:34,380
of it if it was a camera artifact I.E

1097
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,880
you know part of the sensor was dying it

1098
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:37,680
would be present in all of them

1099
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:39,060
um it could have been something kicked

1100
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:40,500
up by one of the real wheels of the

1101
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:42,420
Rover but it doesn't travel too fast so

1102
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:44,700
probably not that uh but yeah it's

1103
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:47,099
curious but without a time machine you

1104
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:48,839
know without a Tic Tac we physically

1105
00:37:53,089 --> 00:37:51,060
cannot go there and see what it was even

1106
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,099
if it's a fly you know if in this

1107
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,720
situation usually you get my quest kind

1108
00:37:58,370 --> 00:37:56,640
of saying that's a fly that's a bug if

1109
00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:58,380
bugs are present on Mars flying in front

1110
00:38:03,589 --> 00:37:59,940
of the car shouldn't fly that's huge

1111
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:03,599
right yeah so you know it could still be

1112
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:06,780
something prosaic but incredible

1113
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:09,180
more data as always are you leaning

1114
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:10,859
towards though regardless that there is

1115
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,420
something in the picture as opposed to

1116
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:14,820
it being an issue with the camera yeah I

1117
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:16,140
would say I'm leaning towards there

1118
00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:17,520
being something there you know we've

1119
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:19,079
seen pictures of you know maybe fungal

1120
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:21,240
formations on Mars of things moving

1121
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,220
things or sorry things present in one

1122
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,960
photo and then not in another photo not

1123
00:38:30,109 --> 00:38:27,119
moving because we didn't have film uh

1124
00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:30,119
but yeah there certainly seems to be a a

1125
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,540
growing kind of idea that there is life

1126
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:35,760
on Mars but when we say that we're not

1127
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:37,140
talking about green men or gray men

1128
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:39,540
we're more talking uh you know bacterial

1129
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,579
or bugs or something like that yeah

1130
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:44,640
David Bowie had a great album song Life

1131
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:45,900
on Mars

1132
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:47,339
um he did

1133
00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:50,280
um grind Graves uh pilot extraordinaire

1134
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:53,640
was on Joe Rogan podcast recently

1135
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:56,099
um Dan I've only seen the highlights of

1136
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:57,720
it to be honest Ryan grave speaks

1137
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:59,579
incredibly well I have asked Ryan to

1138
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:01,020
come on the podcast before he's a busy

1139
00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:02,760
man and he's got similar things going on

1140
00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:04,500
so polite decline from him which is

1141
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:05,940
totally understandable

1142
00:39:09,790 --> 00:39:07,740
um but yeah he went on to Joe Rogan he

1143
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:09,800
wasn't too busy for Rogan was he but

1144
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:12,300
that's that's fine I'm sure Joe Rogan

1145
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:13,980
puts on a far better spread than I could

1146
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,940
offer

1147
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:16,320
um and it's great to have someone like

1148
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:17,820
Ryan Graves if he was going to give one

1149
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,280
interview you know do it on Joe Rogan's

1150
00:39:24,109 --> 00:39:22,079
podcast because that's the platform to

1151
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,119
discuss this topic on I think on a mass

1152
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:26,160
scale to get folks interested and all

1153
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,900
that good stuff trickles down to to the

1154
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:29,760
lower levels like ourselves

1155
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:31,740
um so yeah he spoke Lily Bell talked

1156
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:33,660
about his encounters experiences and for

1157
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:35,940
me one of the kind of standouts was he

1158
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:37,380
didn't mind too much doing a little bit

1159
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,660
of speculation on the possibility of

1160
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:41,579
some of these encounters being being a

1161
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,560
non-human intelligence and it's nice

1162
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:45,119
again to hear someone like that just

1163
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:46,859
being able to say that out there in a

1164
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:48,540
public forum to millions of people

1165
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:50,040
viewing and listening around the world

1166
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,020
yeah yeah you know he's someone

1167
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:54,000
reputable like you say he's an expert

1168
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,000
and it kind of the interview stacks on

1169
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:58,800
top of the one he Ryan did with Lex

1170
00:40:02,089 --> 00:40:00,300
fredman I would say you know they're a

1171
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:02,099
good ones who listen to them both uh

1172
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:04,320
with Lex they talked about Ryan's

1173
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,940
experience as a fighter pilot for a lot

1174
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:07,920
of it and that was amazingly informative

1175
00:40:11,690 --> 00:40:09,240
but pretty much straight from the get-go

1176
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:11,700
in this one they're talking about UAP uh

1177
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:14,400
he recounts a number of things and there

1178
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:16,260
were a few quotes that I just picked out

1179
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:19,020
um yeah one one wish I've mentioned

1180
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:20,520
already was where Ryan was saying that

1181
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:22,740
an F-18 isn't an analytical tool it's a

1182
00:40:25,730 --> 00:40:24,119
tool of war and we need proper

1183
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:25,740
scientific instruments kind of directed

1184
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,440
at these UAP that we're finding

1185
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,720
second was that he pointed out that the

1186
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,920
shape that we're seeing in the gimbal

1187
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:33,599
video that's the shape of the energy

1188
00:40:37,069 --> 00:40:35,880
that the object is emitting so when

1189
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,079
we're talking about it being a spinning

1190
00:40:40,849 --> 00:40:38,880
top based on the shape of the gimbal in

1191
00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:40,859
the video it's probably not a spinning

1192
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:42,420
top that's not how it looks we're not

1193
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:44,579
seeing the shape there so there's a

1194
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:46,020
whole bunch of you know graphic artists

1195
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:47,940
out there that just kind of went ah back

1196
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,760
to the drawing board then and uh yeah I

1197
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,800
thought that was interesting he also

1198
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:54,599
stated he believes there's a pathway for

1199
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,520
declassification of data so that

1200
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:58,560
scientists can help understand it which

1201
00:41:01,370 --> 00:40:59,880
was interesting that would have been

1202
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,380
something I would have liked to have

1203
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:02,880
followed up on well you know why Ryan

1204
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:05,460
has that impression and

1205
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:07,320
than the the final one that I'd like to

1206
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,280
highlight

1207
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,560
is that at one point he said

1208
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,960
they were talking about politicians and

1209
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,640
how you know we're failures came down if

1210
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,740
visitors came down they would go see the

1211
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,359
president or something that's what we

1212
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:20,400
assume but Ryan quite rightly pointed

1213
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:22,020
out you know if we find an ant colony in

1214
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:23,099
the garden do we make ourselves

1215
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:24,599
available to meet the queen of the hive

1216
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:27,900
no so it was a really good analogy for

1217
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,460
kind of saying you know yeah we think of

1218
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:30,720
everything in terms of politics but

1219
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,480
something coming here wouldn't and it's

1220
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:35,040
a testament to all these kind of school

1221
00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:36,480
Landings and things like that that we

1222
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:38,540
always see happening

1223
00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:40,980
on that that point people might be

1224
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,359
listening to this and thinking yeah but

1225
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:43,920
that's what I think anyway that you know

1226
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,900
why would they come down here the point

1227
00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:47,520
being and what we're trying to say is

1228
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:49,740
Ryan graves are saying this to three or

1229
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:52,020
four million people most of which don't

1230
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:53,820
have that deep in interest in the UFO

1231
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:55,740
subject and it just makes them think

1232
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:58,079
that little that one line especially

1233
00:42:02,450 --> 00:41:59,640
something like that for me makes people

1234
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,460
go huh I never thought about it that way

1235
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:04,800
maybe I should look at this slightly

1236
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:06,780
differently and that for me is the big

1237
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:07,980
thing with these sorts of interviews

1238
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:09,720
that that's where I kind of you know

1239
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,579
similar to nope the movie that's what I

1240
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:13,200
took from that that they put in this

1241
00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:15,000
other idea of what these things could be

1242
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:16,380
in front of millions of people that

1243
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:18,359
don't like a loving organism yeah it's

1244
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:19,560
just like okay well let's think a little

1245
00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:21,300
outside the box here you know maybe it's

1246
00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:22,680
not just something coming from another

1247
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:24,119
planet visiting

1248
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:27,540
Ryan also uh

1249
00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:28,920
posted the other day I think it was

1250
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,060
October 19th uh that the aiaa community

1251
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:34,560
of Interest has launched I mentioned

1252
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:36,540
this earlier but basically they want to

1253
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:38,520
help uh

1254
00:42:42,530 --> 00:42:40,380
the community of interest is to study

1255
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:42,540
the unidentified unidentified aerial

1256
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,800
phenomena and educate government

1257
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:46,560
Academia and Industry on Aerospace

1258
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,500
safety so he's working with Ravi

1259
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,839
kaparapu who's a planetary scientist at

1260
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,240
Nasser and is included in those emails

1261
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:56,160
that John Greenmore got from NASA so if

1262
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:58,020
you want to find out what he kind of

1263
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,040
thinks of the subject have a look

1264
00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:00,960
through there but they have three teams

1265
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:02,339
there's the human factor the Outreach

1266
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:04,380
factor and the hardware factors so

1267
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:05,339
they'll be looking at the hardware

1268
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:07,079
that'll be a very neutral point then

1269
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:08,460
there's Outreach which is pretty much

1270
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,960
what it sounds like you know the the

1271
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:12,240
subject matter experts talking to people

1272
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,800
who are interested in a scientific

1273
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:16,020
engineering way and then you've got the

1274
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:17,880
human factors which engages with

1275
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:19,380
scientific and engineer and research

1276
00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:21,000
communities who assist with educating

1277
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:23,819
the Aerospace Community relative to the

1278
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:26,099
Aerospace safety factors with UAP so

1279
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,900
it's all about air safety air safety

1280
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,760
safety basically

1281
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:31,200
um and that's what we're seeing

1282
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:33,300
addressed as well with Ben Hansen and

1283
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:34,380
what's going on with him and the

1284
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:37,380
racetrack uaps is it fair to say Dan

1285
00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:39,300
we've only got a few minutes left but

1286
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:41,819
people complained about the threat

1287
00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:43,260
narrative being used and official

1288
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,020
capacity by folks like Louis zondo but

1289
00:43:49,069 --> 00:43:47,760
it did get the military involved and the

1290
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,079
Navy involved in a way they weren't

1291
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:51,359
before in the UFO subject so as much as

1292
00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:54,119
people might be oh the AIA stuff you

1293
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:56,339
know that's not really UFO related and

1294
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:58,619
talking about air safety but you might

1295
00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:01,680
get organizations interested in the UFO

1296
00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:02,760
subject

1297
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:05,940
and directly because you go with their

1298
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,380
it's their uh their example of a threat

1299
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:12,359
narrative you know air safety is really

1300
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:14,099
important oh is it yeah okay well that's

1301
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:15,720
that's true so we have to look at

1302
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:17,099
something that may be affecting that

1303
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:19,800
which is unidentified aerial phenomenon

1304
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,960
or UFOs as you might know them and it

1305
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:23,940
just gets them into that conversation a

1306
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,040
different way is that fair yeah I would

1307
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:27,599
say that that's precisely the the right

1308
00:44:30,829 --> 00:44:29,220
way to think about it you know people

1309
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,839
are coming because these are there there

1310
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:32,160
not because they agree that they're

1311
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:34,920
aliens but I don't really care if they

1312
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:37,500
agree with you know my thinking that

1313
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:38,819
it's something else and something other

1314
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:40,260
the fact is they're looking at it and

1315
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:41,700
that's more than we've ever had in this

1316
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:42,839
subject

1317
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,099
um looking at it with an actual open

1318
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:46,560
mind and when they say about threats it

1319
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:47,940
doesn't necessarily mean as Stephen gray

1320
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:49,260
would assert that they're you know

1321
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,940
coming down and blowing us up with these

1322
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,040
Special bombs that they have

1323
00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:55,440
um it just means that it could be a

1324
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,300
threat to air safety because there are

1325
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:59,040
genuinely some examples where commercial

1326
00:45:02,329 --> 00:45:00,780
pilots have swived to avoid these things

1327
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:02,339
you know drop their plane hundreds of

1328
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:04,500
feet in seconds and some passengers have

1329
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:05,520
been injured and gone to hospital

1330
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:09,240
afterwards it is a safety issue and if

1331
00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:10,680
these things can fly right through Jets

1332
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:12,060
we kind of need to know that so we know

1333
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:13,560
not to Swerve you know

1334
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:15,720
okay you've got 30 seconds on each of

1335
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:17,339
the next topics I want to discuss of

1336
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:19,500
which there are four okay and I'm going

1337
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:21,780
to time you on them as well and both of

1338
00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:23,940
us have the 30 seconds between us

1339
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:25,619
um Stephen Greer who you mentioned was

1340
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:27,420
on The Theory of Everything podcast Dan

1341
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:29,640
you were on that with Kurt uh Carter

1342
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:31,500
of course and people if you

1343
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,760
haven't checked that one out go and

1344
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,800
check out Cuts done a variety of UFO

1345
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,900
related interviews

1346
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:39,119
it was a pretty mixed response from

1347
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,420
folks online the online community the

1348
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,359
UFO Community anyway is is quite vocal

1349
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:47,160
against Stephen Greer well the ones who

1350
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:48,720
don't like him anyway so they were

1351
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,980
always going to shoot the loudest about

1352
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,359
this

1353
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:53,040
um Stephen Greer I've shared my thoughts

1354
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:54,900
on many times I think he was someone 20

1355
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:57,540
years ago had maybe the right intentions

1356
00:46:01,730 --> 00:46:00,119
with the subject and then God knows all

1357
00:46:05,050 --> 00:46:01,740
the stuff that's going on since then but

1358
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,060
his arms got bigger and so did his ego

1359
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:07,440
you can't necessarily blame that to be

1360
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,760
fair but

1361
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:11,520
um I think if you have not seen cutjoy

1362
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:15,300
mango style it can Clash wildly with

1363
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:17,819
people like Stephen Greer and Linda

1364
00:46:22,030 --> 00:46:19,859
Moulton Howe because he usually does

1365
00:46:25,609 --> 00:46:22,040
really fascinating in depth and

1366
00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:25,619
intellectual talks on physics and you

1367
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:28,440
know quantum physics and Mathematics and

1368
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:30,180
you know some really really Niche

1369
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:31,800
subjects with some very very interesting

1370
00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:34,020
and very intelligent individuals and

1371
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:36,540
then he gets on Stephen Greer who claims

1372
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,819
to be some of these things but when he's

1373
00:46:42,530 --> 00:46:41,040
asked or pressed on you know oh let's

1374
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:42,540
talk about physics because that's I'm

1375
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,300
classically trained in physics as a Kurt

1376
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,520
told them and Stephen went oh no no no

1377
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:49,920
yeah it's like that was your chance Dr

1378
00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:52,800
Grier to you know really get get into it

1379
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:55,319
and you didn't so there's been some

1380
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,060
fantastic UFO interviews done by cut

1381
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:59,280
there's been some ones that have been a

1382
00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:01,500
little bit more Awkward or car crashy

1383
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:03,900
seal in the mountain how who stormed off

1384
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:06,060
at the end which was a shame and really

1385
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:09,300
no fault of cuts ruined a birthday yeah

1386
00:47:12,349 --> 00:47:10,980
dead yep and then you've got the one

1387
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,359
where Stephen Greer's going on and

1388
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:14,160
largely to promote something he had

1389
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,260
coming up but which is which is what he

1390
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,720
was doing yeah it was it was very if

1391
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,160
anyone watches it you know for the first

1392
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:22,319
hour Kurt and I were met like messaging

1393
00:47:25,550 --> 00:47:23,400
each other saying like get a question

1394
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:25,560
and get a question because Greer clearly

1395
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:27,000
you know you you asked how come he was

1396
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:28,079
doing this one interview and he's

1397
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:30,300
notoriously hard to get on podcasts and

1398
00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:31,859
then he just spoke for a long time and

1399
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:33,900
it was just it was a lot I'll say that

1400
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:36,480
uh but I was glad that I was there

1401
00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:38,940
because when it got quite awkward it

1402
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:39,960
meant that there was someone else to

1403
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,099
kind of step in and direct the

1404
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,960
conversation elsewhere and that was

1405
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:44,640
specifically where Kurt was pushing

1406
00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:46,200
Greer on the physics of it and kind of

1407
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,700
saying you know you don't need to play

1408
00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:49,440
koi with this audience this audience is

1409
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,000
the audience who's into the physics so

1410
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:52,800
speak as much as you want yeah it became

1411
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:54,780
very apparent that Greer didn't really

1412
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:57,240
understand what he was what he was

1413
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:58,619
saying

1414
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,060
um some of the words he was using and

1415
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,160
that's fine if you know you know not all

1416
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:03,839
of us are physicists but at that point

1417
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:05,160
is where you'd expect someone to just

1418
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:06,839
put their hands up and say I don't know

1419
00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:08,940
like I'm not the person that has made

1420
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,440
this free energy device that he was

1421
00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:12,960
talking about so I can't Enlighten you

1422
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,540
we got to speak about Tom Delong why

1423
00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:16,800
they fell out

1424
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:18,300
um you know I got to ask Stephen about

1425
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,220
flares as well

1426
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,319
um several times actually and the answer

1427
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:24,000
there was that there are people messing

1428
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,560
with them and other actors might have

1429
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,660
dropped the flares which to be honest I

1430
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:29,280
don't believe because you know they're

1431
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:30,420
they're uh

1432
00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:32,220
receipts essentially Point into Stephen

1433
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,560
Greer's company and doing this but for

1434
00:48:38,569 --> 00:48:36,240
me there was a really nice bit of

1435
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,579
feedback I go about the whole thing so

1436
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,280
not just that Stephen Greer called just

1437
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:44,160
Justin Bieber Justice Beaver

1438
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,740
um but also that

1439
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:48,240
someone said to me that they really

1440
00:48:51,770 --> 00:48:49,680
wanted going into the interview they

1441
00:48:53,569 --> 00:48:51,780
wanted it to be a gotcha interview to

1442
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,579
kind of show Stephen up and they said

1443
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:55,440
that when the interview finished they

1444
00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:57,420
realized that doing a gotcha interview

1445
00:49:01,730 --> 00:49:00,180
isn't very insightful and that it was a

1446
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,740
lot more informative to

1447
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:04,020
see people let Steven say his peace and

1448
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:05,460
give his answers

1449
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:07,020
um and now they have a better idea of

1450
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:08,760
who Stephen Greer is and I would say the

1451
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:10,380
mask dropped during that interview a bit

1452
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:12,599
so yeah people should go watch it in my

1453
00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:15,420
inform as to maybe if they should even

1454
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:17,099
be listening to to what Stephen Curry

1455
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,319
has to say yeah go ahead and check that

1456
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:21,300
one out um on the podcast next week is

1457
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:22,920
Dr Stephen Grier with his fascinating

1458
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,220
new documentary I'm joking he's not

1459
00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:28,319
coming on he never gets back to me

1460
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:30,119
um so yeah there you go go on folks and

1461
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:31,800
I'll as always make up your own mind on

1462
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:33,900
Dr Greer I know many of you are big fans

1463
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:35,819
of heads and that's absolutely fine you

1464
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:39,660
know I yeah that's it but yeah just

1465
00:49:43,309 --> 00:49:41,220
emphasize that even if you don't agree

1466
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,319
with Dr Grier stuff like ce5 human

1467
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:45,599
initiated contact goes way back before

1468
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:48,540
him yeah so you know by fooing what Dr

1469
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,520
Green is saying and what he's become of

1470
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:53,040
in the past years that's not a

1471
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,260
reflection on the subject itself we've

1472
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:56,960
gone way over 30 seconds on that one

1473
00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:59,220
some of this documentary stuff is okay

1474
00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:00,660
bits of it

1475
00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:03,000
um yeah very quickly George Knapp had a

1476
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,619
piece on eight news where he works out

1477
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:06,480
in Las Vegas on Radiance Technologies

1478
00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:08,460
they're a company that has employee

1479
00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:10,619
owned ties to Travis Taylor and Jay

1480
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,859
Stratton who um famously You Know Travis

1481
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,599
the chief scientist in the UAP task

1482
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:17,520
force wrote the report they have offices

1483
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:19,560
within rate Paterson Air Force Base and

1484
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,140
Nellis Air Force Base and the big

1485
00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:24,480
takeaway from this folks was uh the

1486
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:26,819
president of Radiance Technologies is

1487
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:29,099
one Tim Tinsley who has kind of worked

1488
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:30,599
his way up to be the president of said

1489
00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:32,819
company and a lot of people were jumping

1490
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:34,500
on his comment that they wouldn't shy

1491
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:36,359
away from getting involved with UFO or

1492
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:39,180
UAP related contracts I think you can

1493
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,980
take the line with a little bit of a

1494
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:43,200
pinch of salt because if you if you see

1495
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:44,760
the interview and I'll put the the link

1496
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:45,960
to it under

1497
00:50:49,549 --> 00:50:48,420
the description he's sort of asked the

1498
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:49,559
question but you don't get to see him

1499
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:51,180
being asked a question and he does that

1500
00:50:55,549 --> 00:50:53,880
you know sure yeah we would we would get

1501
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:55,559
involved in UFO related contracts why

1502
00:50:59,210 --> 00:50:57,180
not we're a private contractor you would

1503
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:59,220
want to it would be cool it's very

1504
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,319
throwaway um and he's just being honest

1505
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:03,119
that yeah but get involved but yeah I

1506
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:04,680
don't think there was too much to it but

1507
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,319
what it did highlight is again the CV of

1508
00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:09,599
Travis Taylor which I always think it's

1509
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:11,339
fascinating more and more that the

1510
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,040
skinwalker range TV series almost seems

1511
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:15,839
detrimental through no fault of their

1512
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:18,780
own to the character of Travis Taylor

1513
00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:21,599
yet people forget the the kind of Genius

1514
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:22,859
behind the man because his

1515
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:25,079
qualifications and academic academic

1516
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:26,579
backgrounds speak for themselves then

1517
00:51:30,910 --> 00:51:28,440
you'll get five seconds

1518
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:30,920
I agree yeah

1519
00:51:35,569 --> 00:51:34,200
that's 30 seconds I just wanted to touch

1520
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,579
on a couple of things literally a few

1521
00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:37,319
lines each uh and we won't get to the

1522
00:51:41,089 --> 00:51:39,059
bet at the end but that's fine um Avila

1523
00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:41,099
web had commented on new APS above your

1524
00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:42,780
crane saying there's pretty prosaic

1525
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,460
explanations for them Dan this

1526
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:46,319
disappointed some people but what were

1527
00:51:49,849 --> 00:51:47,520
your thoughts

1528
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:49,859
just that you know you you can just feel

1529
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:51,660
free to disagree with Abby I'm sure he'd

1530
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:53,400
welcome it if you presented that

1531
00:51:57,049 --> 00:51:54,839
disagreement in the language that he

1532
00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:57,059
knows which is a peer review paper avi's

1533
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:58,500
written a paper he's put it out you can

1534
00:52:02,569 --> 00:52:00,059
disagree with it but you need the data

1535
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,579
to back it up so for example he thinks

1536
00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:04,079
that actually it's probably artillery

1537
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:06,599
shells you could object on the shape of

1538
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:08,520
some of these objects or maybe the fact

1539
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:10,920
that this study was done really early so

1540
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:12,180
the wall might have not kicked off and

1541
00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:13,140
there wouldn't have been artillery

1542
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,180
flying around but the point is you need

1543
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:17,760
to speak his language and that that's

1544
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,559
where we have scientists coming in and

1545
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:21,540
kind of grappling over it that Abby

1546
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:23,220
doesn't think it's bad to be wrong he

1547
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:24,660
thinks it's bad to not investigate

1548
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:25,859
something so he's just putting his

1549
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,480
assertions out so that they can be

1550
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:30,240
discussed yeah and also very quickly

1551
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:31,740
we'll just finish on this one the Ben

1552
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:34,140
Hansen race track UAP reports Ben Hansen

1553
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:35,940
done a special update a few weeks ago in

1554
00:52:42,049 --> 00:52:38,460
the podcast thanks to Ben on uh some

1555
00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:42,059
Pilots uh sightings that were filmed and

1556
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:44,339
also the audio was released over as well

1557
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,020
which was really cool Ben Hansen's been

1558
00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:47,760
following this up and he's getting

1559
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:49,380
reports from Pilots all the way from

1560
00:52:54,109 --> 00:52:52,440
Japan to the Us and other areas as well

1561
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:54,119
um that I just really enjoy seeing that

1562
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:55,740
kind of bits on the ground actual work

1563
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:57,720
done which can be a bit dirty at times

1564
00:53:01,309 --> 00:53:00,119
and people like yourself who are you

1565
00:53:02,690 --> 00:53:01,319
know you can call yourself a proper

1566
00:53:05,210 --> 00:53:02,700
researcher now because you went to

1567
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:05,220
Colombia and you've done some music you

1568
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:07,559
said it I'm calling you oh but it's true

1569
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:09,059
it's just I stick the facts and that's

1570
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:10,440
that like yourself and Vinnie and all

1571
00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:12,180
the crew that done that you went and

1572
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:14,099
researched something and whether the

1573
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,660
final product is what some people are

1574
00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:17,280
happy with or not you went and

1575
00:53:20,809 --> 00:53:19,500
researched it these Pilots may or may

1576
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,819
not be seeing something worth

1577
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:23,280
investigating but unless they actually

1578
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,020
go and investigate it unless people like

1579
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:27,540
Ben do the work and go oh let's actually

1580
00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:29,400
see what this could be let's go speak to

1581
00:53:32,809 --> 00:53:31,079
these Pilots let's go find the video

1582
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:32,819
let's go and do some stuff as opposed to

1583
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:35,220
just sitting online and saying yes it is

1584
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:37,559
or no it's not then you know you have to

1585
00:53:41,329 --> 00:53:39,300
applaud the work people like Ben are

1586
00:53:42,829 --> 00:53:41,339
putting into this as well so yeah I

1587
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:42,839
completely agree and Ben would be the

1588
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:44,339
first person to say I don't know what

1589
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:46,380
these are I just want to help figure it

1590
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:48,119
out uh it's the same with the pilots

1591
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:49,200
that are seeing them they're not saying

1592
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:50,460
that they're aliens

1593
00:53:53,630 --> 00:53:52,020
um and that's the that's the accusation

1594
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:53,640
that's being levied against them this is

1595
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:54,900
the kind of work we need to be doing if

1596
00:53:58,609 --> 00:53:56,220
we want to move forward in this subject

1597
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:58,619
not making conclusions unlimited data

1598
00:54:03,049 --> 00:54:00,660
but just investigating because like we

1599
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:03,059
always say there's likely to be a lot of

1600
00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:04,319
different things that are causing these

1601
00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:05,700
sightings it's not just going to be one

1602
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:08,700
thing cool just to finish up folks uh

1603
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:10,440
Dan I hate to ask you to make

1604
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:13,020
conclusions on limited data but based on

1605
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:14,280
what you've seen with these reports from

1606
00:54:19,069 --> 00:54:16,740
Ben Hansen yes I know are these Pilots

1607
00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:19,079
saying alien piloted spacecraft

1608
00:54:24,049 --> 00:54:22,140
absolutely they are Folks at the start

1609
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:24,059
of this year I got a bit of a health

1610
00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:26,040
scare and it kick-started me to getting

1611
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:28,140
fitter healthier and generally looking

1612
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:30,540
after myself better a healthier

1613
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:32,700
breakfast was high on my priority list

1614
00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:35,520
and it should be for you too magic spoon

1615
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is the perfect way to get in your

1616
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morning protein eating cereal that

1617
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tastes like it did when you were a kid

1618
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without all the bad stuff I can promise

1619
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you there is nothing unidentified in

1620
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this cereal the variety pack has four

1621
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,460
flavors including cocoa fruity frosted

1622
00:54:56,030 --> 00:54:53,040
and peanut butter this pack has zero

1623
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grams of sugar 13 to 14 grams of protein

1624
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and only four net grams of carbs that

1625
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are only 140 calories per serving it's

1626
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keto friendly gluten free grain free soy

1627
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free and low carb it's delicious but

1628
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super healthy cereal that really brings

1629
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joy to your mornings afternoons or

1630
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:13,760
actually any time of day go to

1631
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,980
magicspoon.com forward slash that UFO to

1632
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:19,440
grab a variety pack and try it today be

1633
00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:22,200
sure to use our promo code that UFO at

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checkout to save five dollars off your

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order Magic spoon is so confident in

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their product it's backed with a 100

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you don't like it they'll refund your

1639
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money no questions asked remember to get

1640
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:38,640
your delicious bowl of guilt-free cereal

1641
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:41,940
at magicspoon.com forward slash that UFO

1642
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:45,000
and use that code that UFO to save five

1643
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:47,160
dollars off thank you magicspoon for

1644
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:49,859
sponsoring this episode that is all for

1645
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:51,780
this week's show thank you very much for

1646
00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:53,819
listening please remember to leave the

1647
00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:56,099
podcast a review on your chosen platform

1648
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,400
you can like retweet And subscribe that

1649
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would all be very much appreciated the

1650
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shows are being uploaded onto YouTube as

1651
00:56:07,970 --> 00:56:05,339
we speak more and more you can sign up

1652
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,980
at patreon.com forward slash that UFO

1653
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,319
podcast access it shows ad free as well

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please get in touch on Twitter Facebook

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Instagram that UFO podcast of course on

1656
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1657
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:21,420
folks as always keep looking up you

1658
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me

1659
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[Music]

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they thought this was noise

1661
00:58:03,190 --> 00:57:39,210
[Music]

1662
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consider your space consider your lies

1663
00:58:23,470 --> 00:58:08,400
consider your life considering your eyes

1664
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[Music]

1665
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thank you

1666
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very much

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